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« on: April 03, 2012, 11:57:59 PM »


This is the part in the movie where the good guy or one of his supporters tells the bad guy and his gang that they will not get away with their plot. The bad guy often snickers at this point and says what is the first admission of their guilt, "I will get away with it." Let me tell you there is no way on God's green earth that these sniving drug and beer-swilling scumbags will ever get away with it. Their so-called win will count as a loss, because somewhere down the line there will be a court judge that will overturn any adverse ruling and see it for what it always has been since day one: a farce of the highest order.

The one thing I want to ask Kenzie's parents is if they know what they are doing to Jordan is wrong? They are committing a crime by getting a little girl to lie for them. It is crazy. And what for, to protect them from some deranged lunatic who is going to atttack them all and kill them all just like they did to their little girl? Getting a little girl to lie in court is contributing to that little girl lying in court, which means foster care for the girls and jail for the both of you. You are not protecting anyone with your lies. Someday, a court judge will see through those lies about that day. It does not fit and will never fit the evidence as it stands.

Police lie too if it suits them as well. I know one of them named and shamed Jordan Brown that day Kenzie and her baby were killed too. There is just too much speculation that Janice Wilson was the one who gave the name Jordan Brown to Johnny Bongivengo when he needed to cover his tracks with the extra helping he was giving himself to the county drug forfeiture funds to solve his own problems with money.

It sort of runs in the family, seeing that his cousin Frank and his wife allegedly help themselves to cash that was not theirs either. Johnny covered his sticky fingers with the money his county received from their mass drug busts he and his boys periodically engaged in. It seemed all too easy until it became a campaign issue of his wily foe, Josh Lamanseca. He was up against the wall and needed another big score much like a druggie needs a hit of his bong.

Then this confidential informant up and shoots Kenzie and her baby to death. To arrest him would mean the end of his career. He was thinking this man could rat me out for the money I took. I cannot let him face two counts of first-degree murder. I have to arrest someone else. Then the dirty cop mentions Jordan Brown. Johnny agrees. Janice then goes and makes plans to pressure the Houks to frame Jordan.

Now the Houks act like they were lied to, but they know Jordan did not kill their daughter and the baby. They just are putting on an act. They know who did it and will never tell anyone for fear of the real killer or Adam Harvey or someone connected to them killing them too. They have the media completely fooled. They are counting on the court being afraid of doing the right thing. They know they are going to lose big time. This is why they did not want the juvenile court ever getting the case. They know the juvenile judge is not as politcized as the adult court. They should look at the evidence and seeing it not fitting the police testimony or the little girl's so-called eyewitness statement. This case will be over in days, not yesrs. They will not wreck the rest of his childhood,

The Houks delight will turn to anger and they will be jailed. What they did to Jordan is worse than murder. They should be the ones ruined for life. Their win if they get one will be a loss as well. I hope they lose any civil action and our the ones made to pay Jordan's dad for what they did to his son and to his life as well.

If it has to be appealed, the guilty decision will be overturned. That will indeed be the end of it.

These creeps are not going to get away with it. The court should not let them get away with it. Freeing Jordan Brown will show them they are the ones that need to be all charged with killing Kenzie. Because everyone that want Jordan jailed is a cold-blooded killer as well. They all killed Kenzie and her baby the moment they supported the false prosecution of Jordan Brown. You all should be locked up for the rest of your lives for it, the very thing you wanted to do to Jordan. I hope you all rot in Hell for doing this too. Because no one who supports this injustice will ever go to heaven.

When this is over, Jordan will be back with his family and you will all have to wallow in defeat. I hope this defeat for you is total. You may have won today, but come April 10, your victory will end in major defeat. Your political and media blitz only will be an admission of your collective guilt.

 
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 05:51:17 AM »


Do you think the juvenile judge would ever take a kick back?
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 05:52:23 AM »


Do you think the Houk's received some "cash" or "gift" to keep the though process in the same arena?
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 05:54:54 AM »


The first thing Mr. Houk states on the news after the shooting is that his daughter had some problems with some people. 

This shows that in the beginning his thought process was somewhere on the lines of, "we feared this day would come".
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 12:09:31 PM »


They should fear the day will come when the boy is cleared and they will face the business end of a lawsuit with him and Ms. Houk as the defendants. Even if the chance is there for failure, Christopher Brown should file a civil lawsuit against the state in Federal Court if it the only way to bypass the State system if they cannot be trusted. There is no way evil can win all the time. The bad guys cannot win this no matter how corrupt they are. Why do you think Krasek fough all this time and allowed all these violations of Jordan's civil rights? He was afraid the truth will set Jordan would be set free. The evidence is there to show his innocence. There is zero evidence or testimony that proves his guilt. No matter how much the Houks and their people outside huffs and puffs, the chances are good they will be vastly disappointed.

The denial of the bail hearing will be their last victory. Their losing streak begins in April 10, 2012. It would be a very costly series of unfortunate events for all of them. We all know this day will come. It would mark the beginning of the end of for the GOP in that area for decades, for the people can vote in elections. Since it was a GOP Attorney General who was to blame for fooling them, it would be time to either take back the party from the Goldwater Republicans or let the Democrats retake Harrisburg again.

There is no way in this world that Krasek can manipulate the evidence that so clearly sticks to him like the tar baby stuck to Brer Rabbit. No matter how much he tries, the evidence shows that the little girl was lying and the State Police were lying too. No one can get away with lying about another person, not even those who supposed to protect us. This is wrong what they are doing. They will not get away with it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2012, 09:46:49 PM »


Thanks for ranting for me. That's less typing I've got do.

You go!

Court rules that Jordan Brown will stay in detention

Tuesday, April 03, 2012 | Sadie Gurman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A Lawrence County boy will remain in detention pending a juvenile adjudication hearing next week

http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12094/1221378-100.stm

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2012, 10:20:49 PM »


The above victory for them better be the last victory they will ever get. Next week, Krasek would have to be led kicking and screaming into an explaination that the press reports and the cops were wrong. It points to to a police structure that do not keep innocent people from being accused falsely. Jordan will be freed this spring, not six years from now. Debbie and Jack Houk, along with their dysfunctional friends should prepare for the reality that their act will amount to nothing. We may not be perfect people, but hope is the only thing holding this case for Jordan's sake.
 
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 10:54:21 PM »


Children are easily influenced into saying whatever any adult who is questioning them wants them to say. Children are very intuned to subtle hints or blatant specific questions leading to a desired particular answer.

If I was a juror on this case, as soon as I heard the little girl had said she knew / saw nothing out of the ordinary, during the initial questioning by police, then she goes and spends hours with the parents' of the victim then her story changed into "I think / Maybe...", I would not be able to give any credibility to that child's "witness testimony". I would have to throw it out.

I remember when I was a kid / teen, we were taught that if you are in say a car wreck for example, you do not start talking to other witnesses because of tainting your own and the other witnesses recollection of the facts as each person witnessed it. That being said, add in all the years of experience in needing to recall details from my own memory as a witness in court cases AND all the new findings about how weak "witness testimony" is compared to the real truth, I would have to elliminate the traumatized child's witness testimony. Not to mention the fact that you don't put much credence in what a child of that age has to say about such an important matter.

Unless the little girl saw someone do it in front of her and ran directly to another person and reported what they saw, then her testimony is null. No way should she and her sister testify now! 3 yrs later!!!
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 09:06:18 AM »


Back during the Day Care Abuse Scandals back in 1980's, there was this now totally discredited standard that the prosecutors and the police had when it came to the testimony of the kids, "Always believe the child." However, it was not the truth being told, only the miming of whatever the adults who rose their paranoia to a new level when it came to the people who had to raise other people's children.

It was a often stigmatizing choice to allow adult you do not fully know taking up the child rearing. It was like a box of chocolates in that you had know idea what one would get. When one parent rose these sex abuse, it spread like a disease either by adults wanting to join the bandwagon or they were pressured into it by the original conspirator. Just ask their children, but in many cases, either the kids were not even good talkers yet or the law did not want to believe the child even when they said they were not abused. (They called it "being in denial".)

The little girl should not be allowed to testify in that view of her credibility in light of the rather odd behavior of her grandparents and other relatives on her mother's side of the family. There is increasing doubts that she was not even there when the shooting occur. I had my doubts that Jordan was present at the scene. Though the youngest daughter was there at the scene she was just a toddler, who was not interviewed iommediately after the cops arrived.

Indeed there is the youngest daughter, who should had been interviewed immediately after the cops started their interviewing of the family. The kid may not have been four, but I infered that time of death could be deduced if interviewed the little girl said in that time period if the TV was on what show was on when you heard the shot. This would have established Jordan's innocence right then. Despite her age, the reasoning is if the TV was on a certain show at a certain time when the older kids were at school, it would discount the gun and the boy at the same time, even if the girl was in the closet, literally... or just fled there in fear.

The biggest thing that I have been asking myself all that time is why the coroner never established the time of death of Kenzie Houk. Just a small window which fell after the older kids were out of the house would duduce that Jordan could never have done the killing. Or is Russell Noga the worst coroner in history? Body temperture, the stomach contents, the dead fetus in her womb, many factors would give that time of death.

And the gunshot signatures do not match the so-called murder weapon! How many6 times to these bloodthirsty cretins in the press and the public ever are told. Let me say it again: The Gun was not and would never be the murder weapon. Are you so dense in the head to see the absence of blood splatter, incriminating blood and gore that Jordan would not easily been able to wash up. If he washed up the house, the stuff would have shown up in the drains and the whatever they used to take care of the human waste in that rural farmhouse in souithern Lawrence County. Pieces of her could have been missed and if not noticed by the trooper who interviewed, than shame on her. The hole would be bigger in Kenzies cranium. Every piece of evidence points to a handgun using modified rounds. It is as if it was sending a message as well as confusing the coroner.

That was the goal of the conspirators who murdered Kenzie. That was to force the law to conspire to frame someone else for the crime. It would not been possible without their help. There also could have been three conspiracies working independently of each other, all of them knowing what they were doing was wrong. We know Adam Havey conspired with a hired gun who was being used as a informant by John Bongivengo. The second conspiracy is the Houk Family, who had conspired to hurt Jordan Brown by giving the third set of conpirators what they wanted. The third conspiracy is the prosecution, who know the boy is innocent, but want to throw away Jordan Anthony Brown out of revenge for causing them so much trouble in professing his innocence and the nerve of fighting them, the all powerful Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The first conspirators set in motion the other two conspiracies with the intention that they would continue to put on a show for the media to swallow as the truth, whereas the real truth is a deception in the highest order.

To find Jordan 100% innocent next week is the ultimate way to tell Adam Harvey, the Houks and the utter corrupt State Attorney General Office that in light of the evidence, all of you are forthwith been exposed as lying scumbags who enjoyed destroying the life an innocent child. It may have been acceptable to ruin the life of a rival politican, but the line is crossed when it is an innocent child with little political impact otherwise to your careers unless you chose to do the wrong thing. Since you ruined his life, we the people of the USA will conspire to ruin all of you. For in the final analysis, ladies, you have done things that in society is worse than capital murder. You framing of Jordan Brown obstructed justice, conspired to commit murder and made you folks also guilty of attempted murder by subjecting this child with a sentence of life imprisonment without the possiblity of parole.

Even the lesser juvenile sentence is a murder in itself, for it would also would be almost murder in the first degree. We all know what you all had in store for Jordan, you would neglect his future at all cost. Moving him around like a pawn to Erie is indeed an example of this. If you do this to him next week, I will pray for the bad karma to visit all your houses for the wrong you did to this boy. We will not let him be framed by your lying tongues anymore. We know where this is going. Prepare yourselves for the biggest letdown in your lives. For the evidence will free Jordan Brown.

You will not get away with this. We will not let you. The federal appellate system will be waiting to dig in when you do try to get away with it. God would not let you do it. I might not have that knowledge, but through his son, Jesus, this crime would be exposed as hypocracy. I hope that that innocence will out. Jordan deserves freedom not ruin. Your work, Mr. Krasek, is the work of pure evil. It did not work to put away Mr. Kimble and it will definately not work for you again in this case.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 06:11:34 PM »


I don't feel they "won" anything. Jordan did not lose.  The fire was lite under some asses and that date is set.  Win for us.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2012, 06:06:48 AM »


Sitting on pins and needles until after April 10th. How many days do you all think the hearing will take place?

I'm sorry but I don't have faith that the judge will do the right thing and be impartial and ultimately view the evidence without blinders on. I don't have faith in any judge handling this case at this point. They've already done so much to violate every right this kid had, I will be shocked if they actually allow then consider the truth about the evidence. I just really worry for this kid. I certainly hope the judge does the right thing then if so, I hope there is a order making all the news media report a retraction for everything they ever said about Jordan. This boy needs all the media he can to spread the news of his innocence. They destroyed him him the media, the least they can do is give him equal coverage when he is found innocent, even if it takes the feds to do it. But, unfortunately, the media sources will downplay any findings of innocence.

It will be up to us to get his exhoneration circulated. So, I hope you all are ready for that.

I haven't read all the posts here about Jordan (been busy with Children's Hope and Voice). I had heard the bullets actually used were the type that was impossible to have been used in Jordan's gun. Is that what you are mentioning in your posts? And, did that come out to the public, yet? or Is this talk from among the grapevine? I had heard this but I didn't realize people were openly talking about it. Also, I had heard some other things that can not be discussed in an open forum.  I don't want to do anything that would jeopordize the hearing next week.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2012, 06:22:21 AM »


You guys may know the answer to this question:

I wonder if the police asked around to see if there was anybody poking around the Brown house / property within days or weeks prior to the murder? The reason I say that is the murderer had to have gotten an idea of a schedule of the family. He/she had to know Kenzie would be alone at the house with her small daugter. They would have to know when Chris and then Jordan and Kenzie's other daugther left for school. Wonder if the shooter used the sound of the tree trimmers to block out the sound of the gunshot it they were within range of the sound? This is something Jordan would not have thought to do.

Obviously, the tree trimmers did not hear the gun shot because they were first notified by the youngest daughter. What time did they arrive on their job site? Could the shooter have already been there and gone by the time they arrived? You said the girl was in the closet. Wonder how long? Wonder if she could have been there long enough for the tree trimmers to get to the site and start working. Maybe the sound of the tree trimming saws is what made her think it was ok to come out of the closet? (I'm only going my what you said in your above post. I don't know that she was in the closet, myself.)

What strikes me about timing...usually a child near that age is afraid of the sound of saws but it may have been far enough away that the sound was not too scary enough for her. I wonder if she could hear the saws at all or if she just saw the tree trimmers there after coming out?
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 08:35:04 AM »


I'm over on other threads getting caught up, as I've only read bits and pieces on this board in the past.

I'm on the "Kenzie had two Protection orders out on Adam Harvey" thread and I wanted to clarify something. (http://justice4juveniles.com/index.php?topic=205.0)

Some are wondering why there would be two protective orders in place against Adam taken out by Kenzie and why one would not have been enough.

 A possible reason is that protective orders have an expiration date on them. In VA as far as I know a protective order can only be issued for the longest time period of 2 years. I"ve had to take some out against my ex. Also, I've been told that IF there is no provable problems with my ex (say he were to have left us alone and there were no problems) during those two years, it would be very difficult to receive another protective order from the court.

For the protective orders against Adam by Kenzie, I noticed the dates are two years apart 2006 and 2008. It would be worth checking to see how long the protective orders are issued for in the state of PA. Whether or not there were any reports / issues between 2006-2008, thus answering the question, did Kenzie think she would be able to get a new one. Huh

 In my particular case , my ex seemed to like to harrass us or send people to our house or something would always happen on "anniversary" dates. What I mean is on dates that were anniversaries of important court dates, dates he was previously arrested, special holidays, etc.

For the Kenzie vs. Adam case, this concerns me that on the anniversary month of the portective order in 2008 (Feb) one year later she's shot and killed.

Secondly, some have stated they think Jordan was the intended target to have the crime pinned on. I don't think so. I think Chris Brown, Kenzie's new lover, was the intended target to get the blame. Thus, the reason for the timing of the crime so close when he would have been at the house / leaving for work. The killer wanted it to look like the new lover, the man that took Adam's place in Kenzie's heart and bed, was the perpetrator. I don't think anyone thought about pinning it on the child.

In my experience and from all I've learned about domestic violence, the fact that Kenzie moved on to a new man, got pregnant (showing at 8 1/2 mos. was a slap in the abusers face "See I'm having sex with someone other than you."), was engaged to be married, ect. was enough to arouse violent tendancies in Adam. Abusive men don't like for thier woman to be with anybody else. It's a form of betrayal and disrespect in the abusers eyes. "If I can't have you, nobocy will" mentality.

Also, what is disturbing is that in both protective orders, Adam was ordered to be evicted, heightening his sence of frustration and desire to retaliate. Let alone the child custody, child support, and biolgical factors previosly listed on this site.

This case sounds like a definate one of a previous abuser not wanting the ex (Kenzie ) to move on.

Also, I'm concerned with Kenzie making sure she DOCUMENTS Adam's "friends in Hillsville" in her 2006 protective order request. I'm getting a vibe she knew these were more than just "friends" of Adam's.



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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2012, 09:35:19 AM »


Hope,

These bullets are similar to slugs used for shooting small vermin, like rats and mice, whereas regular ammo would not do the job. They come already to load into the caliber gun it was intended for to begin with. Though, if a person is well-skilled in making their own projectile and modifying their own weapons, any person can make something similar to fit their solution to any problem. Only thing about frag ammo is the limited range and power. It can be deadly from close range, which is why people should not toy around with blank ammunition. Remember what happened to actors like Brandon Lee, whose death was an example of how deadly even "harmless" ammo can be at close range.

Christopher was the intended fall guy, but the real shooter did not know exactly the time he went to work. So this change in the variables forced those conspiring in the interceding plot to pick on Jordan once his words to Janice Wilson angered her to the point she would use him for the frameup instead of his father.

I was of the belief that there was no one around the property except the real shooter, Kenzie and the little daughter of hers. Either Kenzie was asleep or perhaps with her back turned when she was killed by the perp. The perp may have altered the scene to make it look like she was sleeping when she was shot. This was the most confusing to the people who first arrived on the scene to those lab people who moved the body to the morgue. All those records after discovery of the corpse should be there. As well as crime reconstruction. Something does not fit or was altered. As far as I am concerned their investigation was skewed by Jordan's arrest.

What the conspiracies could not count on was the shotgun and the blue blanket. Both came back clean, though it did not bother the State one bit. If fact, it make them lie all the more to cover their mistake of arresting Jordan in the first place.

This state of Pennsylvania makes some the oddest obvious mistakes if it politically suits them. However, Jordan Anthony Brown is no politician. If they want to do their fun and games, they must stop from abusing innocent civilians lest it destroy them. As what happened to the two judges in Luzerne County, when you mess with innocent lives, you will get burned. You may get away with forcing Budd Dwyer to kill himself for the greater good, but you will not get away with depriving ordinary people of their right to live. Politicians and other state employees give that up when they run for public office, but not civilians like children or those not on a public payroll. To perform fun and games on ordinary people is the worst abuse of public power.

 
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2012, 04:33:34 PM »


This is a great analogy you have put out here. One I must admit, I questioned myself.  I thought I read that Pennsylvania's PFA's were good for a year but I cannot remember for certain.  I was struck by the "anniversary" of " the PFA being lifted as well.  Also I recall reading in one of the victim's PFA's that the ex-lover destroyed all her things.  That is a real strong fact of a angry jealous person. One that scares me.  I agree, his friends appeared to more than "friends", this guy's hands weren't clean. Ever.
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