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« on: April 25, 2012, 01:12:36 PM »


It seems to me many people in Loisville are in wait and see mode. Well I am not. Every day I wonder if someone like Clarence Darrow would ride in to set in motion the finding of innocent in this case. The police and the prosecution obviously did not do their research looking over all that I have read on this case. Otherwise, Joshua Gouker would be awaiting trial and unlike his son, the possiblity of his past criminal history, coupled with the murder itself making him the thirty-eighth person on Kentucky "Club Death Row".

The mistake of the people who charged the boy comes from the way they believed the crooked man and his minions as the Word of the Lord, oblivious to the fact that the victim's mother left the situation and filed a restraining order, the real killer fled the area with his son once he thought the cops were getting too close to implicating him (Gouker) for the killing of Trey Zwicker, and the gullibility of the police in believing in his story about his son.

Let us face the truth. I think Gouker planned the murder of Trey Zwicker to get back at Amanda Campbell and Joshua Young at the same time. He had this planned somehow. The only question is when the murderous plot was planned, who conspired and who benefited.

Let us consider the hitching up with Ms. Campbell was a fake sense of forgiveness. However, Gouker wanted to deceive Amanda into a false sense of that he was sorry he was angry at her for those two terminated pregnancies. Remember she had Trey with another man, This also is why Trey was marked for death by Josh Gouker. Gouker was one fengeful man.

One other fact overlooked is Josh Young himself. He was Gouker's biggest mistake in his life. Gouker was only sixteen when the boy was born to him with Ms. Young, who obviously was underage herself. Peering into this one event in 1996, Gouker's world snowballed into delinquint misbehavior with girls and young women, along with some other petty stuff. Then the booze and the drugs hit. This triple wammy finally lands Gouker in jail in 2001 or 2002 for a violent assult and meyhem that started outside a local bar in Louisville. Then He is thrown in prison for most of that decade.

One questions how long the assorted violent actions in the early 2000's affected Gouker's psychological makeup. I also wonder what the original sentence was and how he did with the guards and other inmates when he was locked up. These records would be a valuable gold mine that can be used against Gouker and the prosecution at Young's trial this fall.

Gouker's contact with family while behind bars must also been accessed. How many times did he see his son during all that time he was locked up? What was his current relationship with Amanda, Ms. Young and his mother? What about any other woman he may have seen, family or girlfriends. Did he keep any personal coorespondence with all of the above?

Was the prison time continueous from 2002 until 2010? One would wonder how, where and when Gouker would thirst for freedom. If his gang leadership continued during or after his release on parole is also to be asked.

Because he was the father is not a good-enough excuse to grant anyone custody of a child or teenager when a father (or mother) has a violent criminal past. This is even more problematic if that criminal past includes violence against relatives and intimate partners. This did not trouble Gouker in the slightest. He had deception on his side.

Gouker created this faux forgiveness with Amanda Campbell shortly before he was granted parole in late September of 2010. Once he was out, he hardly waited for the ink to dry on his parole papers when he hooked up with Campbell, her son and daughter, and his cousin and her lover, who lived down the street in the urban neighborhood, just southeast of the Louisville Airport, He had the facade in place to petition the family court in Jefferson County to get his son out of foster care.

Josh Young was not having a good year in 2010. His mom killed herself back in April. He and her then boyfriend found her body. Back into the system he was in and out of since he was an infant! Though the latest placement was promising. He got along wonderfully with the fosters and was earning good marks in High School at Fern Creek, located in the fringes of Jefferson County. Then came the news that scoundel dad of his, Josh Gouker, was out of prison on parole, had Amanda and her kids and now wanted him. One would think what he thought of this placement and if he wanted to be with his dad, even though he was oblivious to his plot to frame him.

In March of 2011, the court blindly gave Josh over to the psycho, Josh Gouker, without thinking they were setting up the stage for Gouker's plot. Gouker did not want his son to be uncomfortable. Though the missing of days of school after the placement was sign number one that Gouker was desparate to delinquintize his son. The women, the drugs and the booze was not enough. Then his murderous desires against the woman and her family kicked in. The night he planned it, May 10, 2011 would be such a night.

Everything was good that night, except that Gouker was like a firecracker about to go off. It all started when Trey Zwicker was caught by Gouker trying to sneak out of the house to hang out with his delinquint friends. Gouker allowed him to exit the house and he and Amanda followed him or chased him. The couple caught up with Trey ouside of Liberty High School, an alternative school for troubled youth where Trey that evening had been out in a wooded area and encountered a huge snapping turtle with Young and neighborhood kids. The parking lot near this small area of woods and creekland was abandoned at that time of night. So it was just the adults and the boy. They comfronted Trey. One thing led to another. Angry words and then blows from both Gouker and the boy. Gouker's brute strength and blows to the head and other parts of his body was too much for the boy to take. Gouker pummeled the boy to death and dumped his body near the creekbed. One wonders if he beat the boy to death with his bare hands and/or a blunt obect which he took with him. Trey died in that wooded area, where the dying boy was dumped after the attack that started in the parking lot.

Gouker then drags Amanda away, obviously in shock at seeing her only son beaten to death by the man she loved. He takes her to his cousin Cassie's house. He had been plotting revenge for some time. Cassie loved Gouker enough to lie for him. (One wonders if she had romantic overtures with Gouker in her biography.) She and John helped Gouker dispose of their clothing and maybe a murder weapon. Gouker and Amanda then change clothes after washing themselves. They stay there with Cassie that night after that smoke run to the Circle K. Only in the morning after Josh Young left for school did Gouker and Campbell arrive back home that morning to get the little girl off to school oblivious of the happings that night. Then they waited for the news to break of the discovery of Gouker's handiwork.

Then after the bodies were found they would put on an act about the unidentified body being Trey's. This would set in motion obvious suspecion that would soon go away as the clues matching Gouker started to come in place. The survailence tapes at the gas station showed that Gouker and Campbell were wearing the same clothes both times. Gouker's violent record was explained away. The relative ease that Gouker got his son Josh Young was just a stroke of good luck. Then Gouker's anger issues and two pets killed to warn the people to stay quiet.

Then it all snapped with Amanda and the daughter leaving the house. There was the protection order, the fleeing off on that roadtrip, the capture in Alabama and then the lie that jailed his son on a crime that boy did not do. What kind of fool cannot believe a psychopath did this in order to deliver himself an easy parole hearing? He would be free while his son serves his time. I hope it all backfires. I hope the prosecutor and the cops are made fools. And another thing I hope for, that Josh Young is set free and his father arrested for first-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury and kidnapping. We hope all that comes true this year. If not, we are living in a backwards country.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 01:37:08 PM »


One also has to remark on the length between June and November that it took for a Grand Jury to actually charge the young teen. This cooresponds with when the Commonwealth had possession of Josh Gouker. Between that time period Josh was not returned to the foster parents or even started tenth grade. One wonder if he was able to start school while behind bars. One also has to wonder why bail was never granted in this case when a lot of circumstatial evidence about Gouker hung around. Was at any point, Josh mistreated in juvenile jail? Why does Louisville Police and the Jefferson County prosecutors not asking any hard questions to either Gouker or Amanda Campbell. If Amanda was with Gouker the time her son was killed, why wasn't she interrigated extensively by Louisville Police after they came forward the following afternoon? Why didn't the cops extensively interview Gouker?

Why didn't the FBI and the US Attorney in Louisville ever file kidnapping charges again Gouker once he was caught in Alabama? That closing of state lines despite the boy's age, fifteen, should have been enough. Had Gouker been put into Federal Custody, he would not even have a chance to be believed. This delay would have given the Louisville Police enough time to crack Amanda's shell and force her to talk of Gouker's murder and the mechinizations of Gouker's immediate family in trying to help frame his son, even though this plot only stopped at Cassie and John's doorstep. This couple must also be picked up for conspiracy, intimidating witnesses and obstruction of justice.

Either way, I seriously believe at this time it would have to take a full-blown trial to force the system to admit they made a big mistake in this false prosecution of an innocent boy. They failed to stop for once and look at the forest instead of the trees.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 08:08:06 PM »


I looked on the Kentucky court website and here is the schedule for his upcoming hearings:

PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 5/25/2012 09:00 AM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 6/8/2012 11:00 AM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 7/13/2012 11:00 AM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 8/10/2012 11:00 AM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 9/14/2012 11:00 AM
JURY TRIAL 10/15/2012 01:30 PM
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 01:49:50 PM »


A lot of pre-trial conferences and not enough action. That defense attorney should start what I think is the best defense that should be fear everytime a prosecutor is wrong about their case or even if they think they can put one over a petty jurist. I had pointed it out that in all the stories of framed people: the defense did not put the prosecution to the point that the prosecutors are themselves like the accused. (Their prosecution is as criminal as the crime itself.) The remaking of the prosecutor as the real criminal, not the defendent, is the only way to avoid a protracted appellate process. If a jurist and/or a jury believe the State has not one clue what they are saying, they will go agaist the prosecutor more often than they presently do these days. Only a effective counsel painting the prosecutor as a hardened criminal can stop a corrupt prosecutor in their tracks. It is these rare creatures that Josh Young needs to bat for them.

We reviewed the evidence, Melissa and everyone, we see how reckless the system has been to this point. The prosecutors as well as the cops ignored the warning signs. Gouker was in prison most of his life to this point. His first goal in framing Little Josh was betraying his son and his former lover, is to get parole yet again for his "service" of turning evidence over a case that made monkeys out of them for over a month. His second goal is to get back at Amanda, which was his overall plan to begin with. He lied to her and she was dumb enough to allow him back in her life. He wanted to use his son to serve his prison time for him while he is free to run around with his women and his gang of ruffians.

The case revolves around Gouker and his side of the family, who with the exception of Gouker's mom, see Josh Young as a mistake that needs to be flushed down the crapper of the prison system. even though Young's record is clean as a bell compared to his old man. There is only a convicted felon, two relations whose track record is just as bad, and circumstances that were concluded by their lies and the system shaping those lies to suit their confusion about the case.

I firmly believed that Young never left the house that night. I believe he went to school that day unless attendence records prove otherwise I believe Gouker and Amanda went after Trey when he snuck out of the house. Gouker then killed the boy in front of his lover (the boy's own mom) just as he planned with his cousin and her lover shortly after he got out. They then used physical and psychological manipulation to make sure Gouker was not arrested for the murder.

As I said, the road trip was something Gounker did not count on to eventually backfire on him. It did lead to the false arrest and trial of Josh Young. It can also be used against Gouker when he does testifies this fall. It also leads to accusations that Kentucky or the Federal people were negligent in bringing Gouker back to Louisville immediately on kidnapping charges. It leads to the accusations that the State social services failed to prevent Gouker from gaining possession of his son to begin with. It also leads to accusations that Amanda Campbell did not turn Gouker in if she indeed witnessed or knew something concerning the murder of her boy.

Why would Gouker have Amanda close to him since that night of the tenth? Why would Gouker kill innocent pets in front of his grieving family? Why would the police not discount Gouker from the moment he was recaptured that summer? And why would the police start asking questions when Cassie and John did their thing to Amanda in July, weeks after Little Josh was wrongfully accused by the same people? What was Cassie trying to do that day?

In my State, differences would not see Josh even see the inseide of juvenile detention or even if possible be tried as an adult. Gouker would be in Federal custody when he was captured on Federal charges of kidnapping his own son, no matter if he had custody or not. Suspecion in the protection order that Amanda filed would have been all that my county's prosecutor needs to charge Gouker with one count of first degree murder. Amanda would then cut a deal with the prosecution to testify against Gouker and would be granted entry into the witness protection program for herself and her daughter. Gouker's defense would then have to play damage control on two levels, both of whom would be playing "Let's Make a Deal" to see who gets first shot at the defendent. The Feds would eventually by now would take a "wait -and-see" attutude in Gouker's murder case to let the outcome of the murder tiral decide if they would persue the kidnapping charge. That cleared up, Gouker is stuck in the county jail with no bail while the trial comes up.

The defense all this time will be playing damage control, either to accuse Little Josh of the crime or claim that that their client was temperarily insane when he killed Trey. Or they say something in Gouker's bio means that he does not deserve death. In no way would they have Gouker take the stand. In may ways they know their client is death-penalty ready. They jsut know that like Richard Tuitt, the drifter in San Diego whose murder almost led another boy not much older than Little Josh into prison, Josh Gouker has enough circumstances and a witnesses that can place him outside that high school killing a boy in cold blood.

The difference of Gouker's eventual conviction is the quickness of the verdict. The desire of the jury to convict would be won over by the brutality of the murder in front of the deceased's own mother. What jury would deny a mother true justice? Would they in Little Josh's eventual trial be ready to believe a convicted felon ever being able to tell the truth about the murder?

That is an ideal world, one where politcs would not matter. Gouker has so much against them only a moron would do the wrong thing. However, I have to call all those accusing Josh Young not only morons, but cretins, imbeciles, idiots, fools and those not deserving of serving the public. As long as they live in this land of make believe, as they have in Jordan's case, they will be not worthy of breathing the air of freedom like everyone else in Louisville and Jefferson County.   
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