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« on: October 31, 2011, 02:29:41 PM »


Cristian Fernandez, a 12 year old Florida boy was charged as an adult for First Degree murder of his 2 year old half Brother, David Galarriago back in March of this year. There was a petition to have the case moved to the Juvenile court.

But the DA and the Defense are working towards a plea deal. If a Plea deal can be struck, Fernandez will go to Juvenile and will receive treatment even though he is charged as an adult. If a plea deal can't be reached and this goes to trial and if convicted, Fernandez will receive the maximum penalty, which is life in prison. The next court date is November 21st.


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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 04:00:18 PM »


Statement of Angela B. Corey, State Attorney

http://www.sao4th.com/documents/Christian%20Fernandez%20Statement~Revised.pdf
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 06:11:05 PM »


what an oustanding amount of BS can come out of this woman for God's sake  Roll Eyes

quoted: From the time we learned that a 12 year old commited murder Cristian did NOT commit MURDER, pushing someone and leaving him unconscious is not murder much less if is done for a child. That's something that could happen to anyone. Doctors says that David (the tiny 2 year old victim, like she calls him) would be alive if his mother would have taking him to the hospital on time. But exists a repugnant law aimed to destroy the lifes of children who allows this woman to commit child abuse by convicting a child like an adult or even sentencing to LWOP if this case goes to trial.

quoeted: decisions such as this are never easy I don't buy it. Bet it turns ou to be a candy to these damn cowards that have the guts to call justice trying childrens as adults. Shameful, repugnant, barbaric and inhuman.

quoted: Childrens are teached at an early age not to bit, scratch or kick OMG!!!! how much wisdom on that statement. Roll Eyes True, children's are taught how to behave not all of them anyway, still kids bite, scratch and kick others kids, should we prosecute them all of them as adults?

quoeted: surely basic concepts understood by those who grow up on difficult environments. However that does not excuse crime it does mitigate punishment in some cases. This is the reason why we have been working so hard towards a solution that will both punish and rehabilitate. Since the moment you brought this to Adult court you took out of the table the rehabilitation. Adult prison creates hardened criminals not rehabilitates. And that's your main purpose, make sure this kid does not have a chance at life giving him an adult and legthy sentence with an adult an legthy probation. You just want to make sure he will stand in prison for life and make him incapable of having a productive life outside of prison when he is out after maybe 20 or 30 years?

quoted: the misinformation being circulated only by you Mrs Corey. There has not being any misinformation for anyone else.

quoted: We never, ever demonstrated any intention to seek LWOP don't buy it.

quoted: Remember, when the juveniles laws were first enacted, noone could have dreamed that kids so young could commit such henious crimes please, who are you trying to fool. Kids has always killed, this is not something new. Juvenile system is the appropiate place for this children actually. Trying to make believe the public otherwise is just ridiculous. Is been proved that Adult sentences don't deterr cime and make kids more dangerous when they come out of prison being a danger to the comminity you so much claim want to protect.

quoted: Due to our rule of ethics I am not at liberty of discussing Cristians background however you already did that. BTW, do you really have ethics at all, I honestely doubt it.

To end this, There is not justice in trying kids as adults, is barbaric, inhumane, cruel, is child abuse. Is an act of pure evil and cowardice.


The truth is that recidivism is higher among teenagers who have been charged as adults for their crimes. Incarcerating childrens in adult prisons deprives children offenders of adequate counseling and education. Honestely "Adult time for adult crime" is a failure. It may be a catchy sentence but it doesn't work.
 
International Law regarding children.

(a) No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age;
 
(b) No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily. The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time;
 
(c) Every child deprived of liberty shall be treated with humanity and respect for the inherent dignity of the human person, and in a manner which takes into account the needs of persons of his or her age. In particular, every child deprived of liberty shall be separated from adults unless it is considered in the child’s best interest not to do so and shall have the right to maintain contact with his or her family through correspondence and visits, save in exceptional circumstances;
 
(d) Every child deprived of his or her liberty shall have the right to prompt access to legal and other appropriate assistance, as well as the right to challenge the legality of the deprivation of his or her liberty before a court or other competent, independent and impartial authority, and to a prompt decision on any such action

Ironically, although crimes against children are universally regarded as heinous, the United States engages in state-sanctioned child abuse by sentencing some of them to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The United States is the only country in the world where youth can receive a LWOP sentence, which means no hope of release from prison in their lifetime.

What Florida is doing to Cristian is child abuse.


that link has infurated me so much. what a bunch of BS. THERE IS NOT JUSTICE ON TRYING KIDS AS ADULTS. THERE IS NOT JUSTICE ON AN ADULT PLEA DEAL. A PLEA DEAL ON ADULT COURT WILL ONLY BE DIRECTED TO DESTROY CRISTIANS LIFE.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 06:22:29 PM »


sorry I missed that part quoted : this young man literally has no family to which he can be returned to help facilitate rehabilitation Sadly right, so let's put him in prison, why to worry about finding him an appropiate place or family that would be willing to help him?
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2011, 08:27:49 PM »


Exactly right, Gloria. On all points.

It isn't Cristian's fault that he has no family. And it bothers me that Angela is failing to mention that in seeking a plea deal she is forcing a 12 year old's hand. He either accepts the deal or he goes to trial and risks life in prison without parole. It's not a difficult concept, but she spends an unnatural amount of time trying to deny that reality.

And if Angela were merely seeking to put Cristian in a juvenile facility for the length of his sentence she would have allowed his case to go to juvenile court. No one is fooled by that. I'm not, at least.

I'm also curious as to where the ethical decision-making was when she made the decision to seek a grand jury indictment for Cristian, thus forcing him into the adult court system despite every shred of evidence that doing so poses a greater risk to society than putting him in the juvenile system where he belongs.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 08:32:59 PM »


First, I just do not get how Angela can call what Cristian did “murder”.   I do not believe he thought that he was going to put his brother to permanent death.  We have to remember this was an abused child who never received help and therefore, withheld all his emotions.  His actions towards his brother were the actions that he learned in his environment. Cristian did not die when he was abused. He, himself lived through the abuse, so to say he committed “murder” is beyond me.  He beat his brother, like he was beaten.  Cristian, like his poor baby brother was a victim.  Angela states she wants to do what is right for the victims “and Cristian”.  Cristian IS a victim. How can she state that a rehabilitative environment is not what is required in such a case?  How can she conclude that the adult sentence would be the best option?  Actually she stated the adult sentence was the best option for her but is it the best option for a child that suffered so much abuse? 

Juvenile detention should be for “juveniles” no matter what the crime.  Juveniles are underdeveloped and therefore have the capacity to learn and “develop”.  I would think a child such as Cristian is a perfect example of a child in need of the juvenile system and alternative programs because of the abuse he suffered.   Angela states that Cristian has “no one” to facilitate continued rehabilitation upon exit from the juvenile system.  For one thing, they could hold Cristian until he is 21 yrs.  Due to the fact that he “literally has no one” .   Who is to say that there are not people out there that would foster him and provide him with a good environment?  This case has touched a lot of people.  There are good people that feel for Cristian’s situation. There may very well be a mentoring person that is willing to build a relationship with him while he is in the juvenile system.  Why is guardianship not an option?

 How can Angela call Cristian’s actions “murder”?   Angela states that children learn at young age not bite, scratch, or kick, indicating that even though Cristian was abused, he should have known enough not to commit “murder”.   Though Angela admits Cristian’s environment was troubled, what she fails to acknowledge is that young Cristian was severly abused by “adults” and that got away with it.  How on earth could he conceive a behavior to be wrong when the very adults he was surrounded by abused him and never experienced the repercussions of such actions?

Angela call the case “one of the most unique and serious cases they have ever encountered” but it really is not such a unique situation.  Everyday children are abused.  Every single day there are children abused all around the world, not just in Florida.  The fact she continues to fail to see is that the child died because the adult in the home waited six hours to bring him to a hospital.  Had the mother taken prompt action, like a normal person would have done, the baby would have lived and we would not be talking about this case.  We would not be talking about this case because unfortunately abuse happens all over the world.  So, the great state of Florida is not experiencing anything unusual.  Angela chose to make it unusual.

Angela concludes that she is not at liberty to discuss the background of the child and states she is confident the public will understand why they chose the route they did in the end.   That is a mysterious statement and a scary one at that, because we all do realize the child “LITERALLY HAS NO FAMILY” and he is at their mercy and they know a lot of people are highly upset with them.

Finally, Angela does not need to ask us to pray for the poor toddler that died.  We all understand that a helpless child died in a drastic circumstance.  Our hearts are filled with sadness for this “defenseless 37  lb.” child.  To use the tragedy of this child in terms that deflates the fact that they have in their hands a “140 lb.” 12 year-old child that also was once a defenseless toddler is just political hogwash.  What Angela really needs to ask the public for is prayers for her.  She needs to understand the difference between abuse and murder.  Clearly she still is overcharging this child.

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 08:38:32 PM »


The way I look at it is simple: these laws as enacted nationally over the last four decade was a backlash at both the civil rights of minorities and children (no matter the racial or economic background). Legislators were taken aback psychologically back then when they passed these laws at the sudden change in the legal climate both minorities and children had so fought for since the end of World War Two in 1945. A baby boom followed by the politilization of millions of blacks, hispanics, Asians, and even Native Americans over the time span of the thirty years between 1945 and 1975 was damaging to the white, Protestant good old boy power brokers. Add to this the Womans' Lib, Free Speech and Anti-War movements to equal a backlash called the Seventies. Many of the laws making it easier to charge kids as adults was part of that backlash, reenforced by the paranoia about crime in the late 1980's and early 1990's, when I was in high school. Since then, the anti-youth movement had seen a resergence that climaxed with the series of school shootings in Colorado, California, Oregon and the American South in the late 1990's, all incidentally sharing many of the same traits that shocked no one.

1. The teens were all white.

2. They typically came from middle-class to upper middle-class families.

3. Many of them were obviously bullied.

4. Many of them had some sort of psychological problem.

5. None of these shootings occured inside big metropolitan cities.

Though the ironic part is that no child is safe from the backlash that resulted from these unfortunate tragedies. Even if they had a clean record it is possible that their lives would be ruined for life by a minor misstep on their part. They are vunerable to getting falsely accused of something they did not do. Their childish fights and behavior are now met with criminal charges and sanctions often unbelievable thirty years ago. If I as a eleven-year-old boy who in these days fought back against another classmate, I would have maybe faced a five to seven day suspension for my defense and my assailent would be given similar treatment. (In this world both combatants face equal sanction no matter if one was the victim of the others assult.)

That is the world we did not want. It was foist on us to protect us from a paranoia involving a "supercriminal" who does not exist except in the paranoid mind of a right-winger. These laws were part of a conservative backlash cheer on by both major politico parties trying to one-up the other as "the law and order" candidate come election time. It has led to untold suffering for our youth because while they tightened their laws, they saw to it that the juvenile justice system rotted on the vine, while building prisons galore. Though as a result of their get tough on crime backlash, the prisons lacked the needed space to house all the new crooks entering the system. Add to that the decay of juvenile justice, creating future capacity problems in all jails. We incarcerate more people now than we did 100 years ago.

Again: a statistic... there are more black men in prison than there are in college. You heard this for decades. This was the result of the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's. They might have won intergration but white majority America was not ready for them at all. This happened all too fast for many white Americans to accept in their mental state. The Brown decision and its resulting backlase and counterlash scared many whites out of their minds. They did not want this forced down theri throats by so-called liberal judges. The whites showcase over the last sixty years that they are sore losers. It might seem fine to us on paper. But the 1970's and 1980's saw one result of intergration in our country brought upon by the winning of civil rights by non-whites, "white flight".

Fear of intergration led to white people just packing up and leaving for the safety of their lilly-white suburbs, moving further and further away from minorities that they can never understand or even live next-door too. They though that distance would keep them safe from the lawless colored masses.

The utter ruins of those former neighborhoods were the result. This was seen as confermation to the retreating white masses that what they escaped was real. They saw their ticky-tacky burbs as a oasis from the criminal underclasses, populated by non-whites who they saw always as undeserving. (Just look at the ruins they made of the hood we left behind!)

They had no idea that children would be the collateral damage of the paranoia over minorities and their criminal tendacies.

They also did not count on the minorities once they had cash and status to move to the burbs as well. At first, the whites just moved further out into the countryside. As soon as one minority family appeared in a city neighborhood, the whites moved out. This trend has moved in the opposite direction prior to the late 2000's with the return of many white families moving back to the old neighborhood, looking for the next big deal.

The political pressure to solve all this loss by the whites of their racial superiority was enormous. In the South, the Democrats were punished by a growing Republican backlash beginning in the late 1960's and still ongoing today. The party that turned their backs on blacks accepted them in droves while the GOP accepted enmasse ex-Dems, upset that they lost their manhood to a minority. This reverse brough the GOP to unheard of victories in many "safe" locales. This resulted eventually in many of the problems minorities face today with the legal system.

One of their pet projects was juvenile justice reform. It was their intention to strike back at the minorities and the poor of all races since they ofter supported their opponents at election time. Even though the Democrats also supported some of these pet projects in order to not look like they were soft on crime, the Democrats share some of the blame for not protesting these affronts to basic human rights. Fear prompted many to just look the other way while the GOP wrecked the futures of their fellow citizens before they even had a chance to live a decent human life.

What they did not want was giving people under eighteen a second chance or any chance at all if they happened to rape or kill someone. Even if they took a twinkie from the local supermarket, the GOP and their supporters wanted to throw all of them into prison with adults. This way, they can thin out their potential foes and stay in power. Their laws and their reforms had one agenda: to take back what they lost all those years ago. The had their eyes on taking back the prize they lost when they lost their chokehold on blacks and other minorities.

They succeeded to resegragate the non-white population in the last forty years. The white flight left us with majority white schools in many suburbs and many majority black and/or hispanic schools in our inner cities. Criminal felony convictions have taken away the right to vote of millions of people in a number of states (maily in the South), even after they completed their debt to society. Laws make it easier for a cop to racially profile anyone no matter where or when, like the Harvard professor busted for trying to break into his own house after he was accidentally locked out. There is now a number of public schools where it is required to wear a uniform. (Sound like a prison yet?) I would dare say that the attacks on our liberties since 9/11 have minorities in mind when they were force fed to our congress by George W. Bush.

Which leads me to Christian Fernandez, as seen by the eyes of one of the cogs of that draconian thinking: Angela Corey. She is a white woman in her 50's a product of the law school of the 1970's. She rode the grand wave of Womans' Lib as a stalwert of the GOP, the same party, goaded by their right wing, made up of its race haters, to make life a living hell for everyone not white and not rich. Corey came from an age where many law students thought like they need to uphold the law as it was changed before their very eyes. Once enshrined, they felt they were doing the right thing. The felt pity for the victim and none for the crook. Though this is common in every prosector. this should not be the case if the defendent is a child in the eyes of the law.

The understanding of child psychology fell behind legal logic incidentally at the same time the system started getting tough on minors. Many lawyers who either support or opposed the change would even today flunk a quiz on their understanding of children and teenagers when it came to understanding them fully. It looks like either psychology failed to work with the justice system or the justice system did not want to listen to what the shrinks were telling them. There is not understanding but hatred in the resulting legal system since the 1970's.

Christian Fernandez is being targeted with murder because he faces two prejudices: he is 12 and a Latin-American. Florida has had a terrible history to minorities since its founding. Examples are too numerous, but it is work here. Ms. Corey is only looking at Fernandez differently because of this reality. She clearly overstepped the oath she made when she was elected by defending an unjust law. She would never had charged the boy with murder if he was white. Though this is the same state the King brothers live in, this case stinks of intentional racial bigotry.

I hope by his not guilty verdict that it send a clear signal to the other prosecutors and politicos in this nation that their end is near. That children are not property of their parents or the state or this nation. They are going to be seen and heard, not the other way around.

Angela Corey, if you are reading this, I highly suggest you retire after this case is over or risk the wrath of your State Bar. Jack Thompson's downfall occurred just the same route you are going. Do you want to be an ex-lawyer?
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 05:50:12 PM »


Was anyone perturbed at how Angela refers to the public defenders as "Deb and Rob", as if they are the best of friends making a deal for the greater of he the people.  I hope to God "Deb and Rob" have more common sense.  I hope to God they see what really is going on here.

This is so wrong.  So very wrong that if they actually accept a plea for any time in the adult system, I will just be sick.

The world needs to move past the "Angela Corey" types.  They are old thinkers and fool the public with stern unrealistic punishments.  The public has let this go on way too long not because they agreed with it but because people did not speak up. 

I am reminded of a song that I want to inspire you........

I won't back down - Johnny Cash (lyrics)
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 07:24:07 PM »


The boy needs a Clarence Darrow to defend him from the limitless resources stack up against him. He is the perfect scapegoat.
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